Testosterone-laden flame war between JBoss and Spring crews is the life
of the party on TheServerSide today.

I find Marc Fleury’s/Gavin King’s talk about an upcoming Hibernate CMP
implementation very intriguing.

I had no clue this was coming, although I’ve had some suspicions that Marc
would not take long to push Gavin out of his comfort zone.

I hope this ends up a good thing for the whole community, because I still
believe that a carefully architected CMP architecture can be very successful.
Furthermore, Sun’s EJB standards have moved closer and closer to being
developer-friendly - witness the huge improvements in 2.0 over 1.1.

The catch might be the CMP+Hibernate/JBoss integration.
I’ll be interested to see just how coupled the two will become.
I’m not certain that Marc has a stake in the well-being of the standalone
Hibernate community

UPDATE: Prompted by Christian’s comment, I undusted this TSS thread.
I’m about halfway through it and it’s another battle of words - this time between
the JBoss/Hibernate coalition and “Mr. XA” Mike Spille. I’m not sure how that’s
supposed to make me feel better about the whole “coupling issue”.

<Marc Fleury being Marc Flery>
HIBERNATE IS A JBOSS.COM PROJECT. CONNECT THE DOTS YET? THINK..
WHY DID WE GET THEM ON BOARD? BECAUSE WE BASE OUR CMP ENGINE ON
IT :) . Mr King is a full time employee.

Frankly, the number of beers I have downed trying to convince Gavin that
standard are important for market creation is crazy. I remember one particular
night in amsterdam with bob bickel. Smashed. We couldn’t get it done he is
slowly turning around. Standards are important, we will work it out.

I would rather see Hibernate give us a good EJB 3.0 (getters and setters gone)
or JDO than have to fight a costly dual battle.

Obviously! that is just business common sense

marcf